From jericho@attrition.org Thu Mar 7 22:42:52 2002 From: security curmudgeon (jericho@attrition.org) To: Laurence Godfrey (laurence@godfreynet.co.uk) Cc: Heathens (staff@attrition.org) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:36:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: your defamatory posting : STRICTLY PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL No, it isn't. You sent this to us, expect us to use the mail as we see fit. Don't like it, don't mail us. : On 5 March 2002 you published on the usenet newsgroups sci.physics, aus.legal : and nz.general an article (copy enclosed below) in which you make false and Who? Comega? All of Staff? or someone who simply forged "attrition.org" in a single part of the posting? : highly defamatory allegations about me. As you are no doubt aware, the : newsgroups in question are read by a large number of internet users, : particularly in England where my reputation is based and where I live and : carry out my work. I am not aware. I do not read usenet at all. I haven't since 1995. : Your statements were calculated to disparage and damage me professionally, as No, they weren't. Why? Because we didn't make them to the best of my knowledge. If you look more carefully at the post (assuming you provided all relevant headers), it doesn't appear that the post has anything to do with this system other than someone forging the 'from'. : I am not prepared to let your false allegations pass unchallenged and : uncorrected and accordingly I require: : (1) An apology to be published by you on the newsgroups in terms to be : agreed; No. : (2) An undertaking that you will not publish the same or similar : defamatory allegations in the future; No. In fact, i will produce this entire e-mail with the original post on our web site. : (3) A Statement in Open Court, in terms to be agreed, publicly retracting : your false statements; No. : (4) Payment of my legal costs and damages in this matter in a sum to be : agreed. No. : Unless I receive satisfactory proposals to the terms set out in this : letter within seven days, I will issue proceedings in the English High : Court without further notice. I live in the United States. Good luck, file away. Now that I covered that.. let's look more carefully at a few things: : Path: : news6-win.server.ntlworld.com!news1-win.server.ntlworld.com!news5-gui.server.n : tli.net!ntli.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwe : ll.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net : !nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail See "telstra.net" in there? See below.. : Reply-To: "Space Ghost" (comega@attrition.org) : From: "Space Ghost" (staff@attrition.org) From "staff@attrition.org". "staff" is not a valid account here, it is simply a mail alias. : Lines: 74 : Organization: Upright Citizens Brigade This is not our organization. : X-MSMail-Priority: Normal : X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 : X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This system is linux, not Windows. The post could not have originated from here based on this alone. : Message-ID: (wPSg8.8$mu2.4112@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net) I don't know who you are, or what you do, but surely isn't computer related. This message-id along with the path above suggest the person who posted this came from telstra.net, not attrition.org : NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.132.126.176 Name: victor56k-49.granite.net.au Address: 203.132.126.176 Now, let's look at where telstra.net is: Domain Name.......... telstra.net Creation Date........ 1995-06-01 Registration Date.... 2001-05-21 Expiry Date.......... 2005-05-31 Organisation Name.... Telstra Corporation Limited Organisation Address. 9/1 Spring Street Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Melbourne Organisation Address. 3000 Organisation Address. Vic Organisation Address. AUSTRALIA Are you starting to see a pattern here? Attrition.org is located in the United States. : X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net Gee, yet another reference to telstra.net .. : X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 1015282012 203.132.126.176 (Tue, 05 Mar 2002 : 09:46:52 EST) Oh wow, ANOTHER telstra.net reference.. : NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:46:52 EST : Xref: news5-gui.server.ntli.net nz.general:452699 sci.physics:411294 aus.legal:52864 : X-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:46:56 GMT : (news6-win.server.ntlworld.com) : : [Four questions removed due to Godfrey harassment] Now, as a side note for my own amusement.. Have you even looked up the definition of libel or slander you dipshit? This post appears to be nothing more than 4 questions. These are not statements, not accusations, just questions. The only way they would be defamatory is they were a) true and b) a source of embarassment. Your mail to us suggests that they are at least true. : *************************************************************** : Save for this paragraph and those that follow, this email, : including any material attached to it, is confidential and : may be legally privileged. Unless expressly authorised by : the sender, you may not copy, publish, broadcast, transmit : or otherwise disseminate, electronically or by any other : means, any of the material contained in or attached to this : email. If you have received it in error, you should not : disclose or make use of or take any action in reliance upon : this material and you should immediately notify the sender, : whose name and email address is given below. : *************************************************************** These disclaimers are a load of shit you realize? Simple fact is, if you sent the mail to me, I can use it as I see fit. Hope you enjoy it when it goes up on our Going Postal section. Further, if you threaten legal action against us again, I will make all future correspondance with you public and post it where I see fit, including these newsgroups you post to. It is clear that you did no investigation of the post and blindly followed the first address you found convenient, despite the post making it abundantly clear that it did not originate on our system, let alone in the country we are in. What a fag.
