From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: abuse[at]attrition.org
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:07:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: hi!

: one of your members has posted a website online about me

a web page, not a web site.

: forced.attrition.org/postal/z/041/1292.html
:
: I wanted to hire him as a hacker - but he took my money, and didn't give
: me anything in return. I didn't even want his services at all after..
: Please take this website off immidately. He has since then been
: harassing me constantly, and I am even willing to go to the police about
: this.

except, I didn't take your money. you didn't pay for anything and you
kept ignoring my sound advice. the word "money" doesn't appear in that
thread. pretty lame attempt at lying to try to get me kicked off the web
site I run.

: I can tell you the website where you can contact him after...

yeah, this web site, that I run where I posted that page. you don't need
to tell me about it, I am kind of familiar with it.

nice try Jelena.

From: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: staff[at]attrition.org
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:25:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW: hi!

What's embarrassing is your spelling. General communication skills aren't 
so hot either.

a.l.

From: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: root[at]attrition.org
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:26:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW: hi!

You just contradicted yourself. You state he took your money, and then you 
state that you never hired a hacker or 'did anything'.

Please do not breed.

a.l.

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
Cc: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com), staff[at]attrition.org
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:28:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW: hi!

Actually, this whole round of latest emails will likely get the same
treatment as the previous ones, without the guise of politeness.

Then again, maybe not since the last X-Originating IP isn't within 3000
miles of the original one, or even in the same country.

From: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: root[at]attrition.org
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:28:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!

As a matter of fact, I am listed on this website far more times than 
you, and accused of doing things far more horrible. It doesn't bother 
me because:

a) At least I'm not Lyger.

b) I'm still not Lyger.

-and-

c) Do I really have to say it?

Maybe you should talk this over with Lyger.

a.l.

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
Cc: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com), root[at]attrition.org
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:35:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


Game over.

esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:29:45 -0500] "GET
/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt01/ HTTP/1.1" 200 32144
"http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CCYQFjAE&url=http%3A
%2F%2Fattrition.org%2Ferrata%2Fcharlatan%2Fgregory_evans%2Fligatt01%2F&rct=j&q=Gregory%20Evans%20website%20hacker&ei=UQ-lTI4jgfrwBtf95PgB&usg=AFQjCNGft5G2NDuugqKsrBCcWps_VoBBUg"
"Mozilla/5.0 (Macin
tosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625
Firefox/3.6.6"

[later]

esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:49:55 -0500] "GET
/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt03/ HTTP/1.1" 200 27274
"http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCYQFjAD&url=http%3A
%2F%2Fattrition.org%2Ferrata%2Fcharlatan%2Fgregory_evans%2Fligatt03%2F&rct=j&q=Gregory%20Evans%20hacking&ei=gxOlTKLWIcK78gbFxeH6AQ&usg=AFQjCNEYmeX1qkPKufiFW3KQGoArbPQDig"
"Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U
; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"
esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:49:55 -0500] "GET
/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt03/1-check.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 4462
"http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt03/"
 "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6)
Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"
esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:49:55 -0500] "GET
/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt03/2-question.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200
12021 "http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt
03/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6)
Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"
esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:49:55 -0500] "GET
/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt03/0-cross.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 4167
"http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/ligatt03/"
 "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6)
Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"

esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:51:39 -0500] "GET
/postal/z/041/1292.html HTTP/1.1" 200 14428
"http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=15&ved=0CB8QFjAEOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforced.a
ttrition.org%2Fpostal%2Fz%2F041%2F1292.html&rct=j&q=rene%20lecuona%202010&ei=eRSlTN2tC4L_8Aa38ZD5AQ&usg=AFQjCNEQYj9lJdbuwag2mJn5BVqe41b02Q"
"Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; r
v:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"

esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:51:40 -0500] "GET
/attrition.css HTTP/1.1" 200 2376
"http://forced.attrition.org/postal/z/041/1292.html" "Mozilla/5.0
(Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6;
 en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"
esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:51:40 -0500] "GET
/images/f-bak.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 1067
"http://forced.attrition.org/postal/z/041/1292.html" "Mozilla/5.0
(Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10
.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"
esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:51:40 -0500] "GET
/images/f-att.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 2255
"http://forced.attrition.org/postal/z/041/1292.html" "Mozilla/5.0
(Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10
.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"
esm60.esm.rochester.edu - - [30/Sep/2010:17:51:40 -0500] "GET
/images/f-mai.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 1139
"http://forced.attrition.org/postal/z/041/1292.html" "Mozilla/5.0
(Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10
.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6"

An idiot pretending to be someone we postaled is worse than the original
idiot.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:08:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: please remove


: what you posted online about me
: I did not hire you

you tried, i said no

: I did not have any evidence from you

this makes no sense

: please don't take this any further

then quit mailing me

: I have reported you on your website for abuse.

yes, you reported me, to me. WELL DONE

this is all really unfortunate, you are kind of cute. dumb as a bag of
mayo, but kind of cute.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:09:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW: hi!


On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

: I spoke to this man - but I never hired a hacker or did anything - and
: he posted this to emberass me online. Please remove this immediately....
: This is not rightJelena

news flash..

if I answer abuse@, then i likely answer root@ mail too.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: Sick Little Monkeys (staff[at]attrition.org)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:10:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW: hi!

On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

: Please remove this
: forced.attrition.org/postal/z/041/1292.html
: This man presented to be a hacker, and we stopped all contact after. This is very emberassing

I also answer some of the staff@ mail too.

You can mail anyone on this system and there are three outcomes:

1. it goes to me, i won't remove it
2. you find the one other person who can edit postal, and ask him (that is
   lyger@, i'll help you out)
3. it goes to another user, who doesn't have access to remove it

next try?

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:09:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


First, I'm going to ask that you reply to all of my following emails in
ONE reply.  Not three.  Not two.  One.  I'm growing weary of all of the
emails, including those you sent to root@, staff@, and abuse@, since I
receive all of those emails as well.

Note, from the original email you sent to attrition.org:

"I would like for you to break into facebook private messages/or emails of
the piano students an at The University of Iowa School of Music"

What you "liked for" someone to do was commit a crime, on your behalf,
across state lines, which makes not only the request a federal offense but
generally would make your request a solicitation of a felony.

You also asked how much said person "charges", showing the seriousness of
your intent (e.g monetary compensation) in the matter.

You then also LIED by saying that the person you contacted took your
money, never provided services, and you might consider involving the
police in the matter.  Having known said person for several years and have
*never* known of any question of integrity on said person's part, I can
only assume one thing:

You, my dear, are a fucking fruitcake.

We have no employees here.  We do, however, have benefits.  One of those
benefits is trying to explain to people like you how people like us put up
with people like you.  The explanation is... we don't.

Had you presented your case in an honest, truthful manner, and said "hey
guys, I fucked up, sorry, can you please redact my name from those
emails?", we might have considered it.  Instead, you made up a fairy tale
about money changing hands, hacking services performed, and whatever other
spew you came up with, which leads me to believe that your original story
about a "misunderstanding" was probably bullshit as well.

The answer is no.  Unless you come up with something resembling a shred of
truth about this whole situation, the page and emails stay intact.

And don't piss me off again.  Unlike most people, you only get one strike
with me.

Lyger

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:05:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


Again, I ask for one email response, not two, but I'm interested in what
you just mentioned.

"The other guy", Gregory Evans from Atlanta, Georgia... do you still have
any of his Facebook or email messages to you?  Would you be able to take
screenshots of anything he has sent to you and send them to me?  Since you
said he was under different names, how do you know it was him?

Make you a possible deal here, and one that may work out well for you.  If
you can answer my questions above and provide me with every piece of
information about your contact with Gregory Evans of Atlanta Georgia, we
might be able to see what we can do about your request to remove some
things from that page.

Tell me the whole story to start, with as much detail as possible. And
yes, I'm being completely serious.

One email only to start, please.

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:26:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


We'll need something to go on as far as Mr. Evans is concerned.  We're
actually (painfully) aware of who he is, which is how you originally found
our site earlier today (around 6:30pm your time from the University of
Rochester network).  If you have *anything* of evidence left over, please
send it our way.  Going forward, if you receive any contact from him,
either under his real name or a pseudonym, please forward that to us as
well.  Anything you send that will verify that he has been or is currently
harrasing you will likely (as in 99.999%) end up with having your name and
email address redacted from the page on our site.

Fair?

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:01:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi! (fwd)


Hi Jelena,

Me again. And don't panic, hear me out.

As Lyger said, we are very interested in getting this information, but it
has to be in a format that we can use as verification it is real. If we
get that information, we will immediately obscure your name and e-mail
address on the page posted. <-  that is your good news

To do that, you need to provide more information. I can help walk you
through everything if you need, but please take your time and give as much
detail as possible. Some of the things you have said so far don't make
sense or kind of contradict each other.

: He is both Sandra Breda/and Gregory Evans.. thats some evidence that he
: was trying to harass me under diff. names

How do you know? What was the chain of events that lead you to think that?

: Patrick Rashid Al-Mauly Unblock
: Ron Sarkar Unblock
: Gregory Evans Unblock
: Nathan Winkel Unblock
: Sandra Breda Unblock
:
: here is my block list..

Based on the above, that means the first two names were blocked before you
talked with Evans, and you can rule them out as possibly being him?

Facebook saves your messages. At the top, to the right of the 'facebook'
logo, are three buttons. The first is for friends requests, the second is
for personal messages and the third is for notifications.

If you click on the middle button, 'Messages', and scroll down, are there
any messages listed from Evans or Breda?

From: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:33:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!

Didn't lyger already out you as a pathetic imposter?

>CARTMAN<Suck mah ballz>/CARTMAN<

a.l.

From: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org), security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:06:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!

Yeah... lyger LEFT ME OUT OF A CRUCIAL BIT OF COMMUNICATION HERE...

But that's ok. I won't hate him forever for it, just a few hundred years.

All joking and abuse aside, Evans is bad news. If you have evidence that 
he took advantage of you, jericho & lyger are the ones who can help.

a.l.

On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

: no he said he might do it and I sent him some evidence.. please consult with
: him
: Thank u
: Jelena

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org), lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 03:07:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!

when you ignore my sincere mail asking for information, offering to remove
the content?

no.

wake up, gain a few brain cells and deal with me directly. quit mailing
anyone other than jericho@. that is the ONLY way the page MIGHT be
redacted or removed. <- that simple, no exceptions.

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
Bcc: Apathetic Lucidity (apacid[at]attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:41:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


I... am only going... to say this once.  So read it, think about it, and
understand it.

Look at the CC field of this email.  It says "jericho".  From this point
forward, only mail him asbout this matter.  I'm dead serious.  Don't even
reply to this email.  Don't email apacid@, root@, abuse@, or any other
email address at attrition.org.  Don't forget that this whole issue
started when *you* contacted complete strangers to commission what is a
*federal crime*.  After finding out about your dealings with Evans, we
offered to redact your name and email address from the "Going Postal"
section of our website if you could help us gather information about your
dealings with Evans.  Jericho offered to help you, so you need to chill
out, work with him, and be patient until he does answer you.  To be quite
frank, the way you have handled this entire matter has been beyond
annoying.  I don't care about your master's degree; you've clearly shown
your ignorance multiple times over the last couple of days.  I also don't
care what you think about the fact that I'm insulting you.  We have
offered to HELP you.  If Jericho keeps me in the loop, I will assist to
whatever degree I feel is appropriate.  Until then, HELP HIM HELP YOU by
going through your Facebook information per his previous instructions.

You really should think more before acting on stupid impulses.  Look at
where it's gotten you so far.

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: security curmudgeon (jericho@attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:47:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


I'm not even reading this email.  You clearly didn't read mine.

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:51:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


: : : Look at the CC field of this email. It says "jericho". From this point
: : : forward, only mail him asbout this matter. I'm dead serious. Don't even
: : : reply to this email.

^^ What part of that do you NOT understand?

: : : Jericho offered to help you, so you need to chill out, work with
: : : him, and be patient until he does answer you.

^^ What part of that do you NOT understand?

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: jericho[at]attrition.org
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:53:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

:
:  In my eyes what you are doing is worse then Evans....It is extremelly 
:  highly/morally/ethically wrong...
:
:  I never did anything wrong....with jericho - all I did was talk to him 
:  that's it..

: : : Don't forget that this whole issue started when *you* contacted
: : : complete strangers to commission what is a
: : : *federal crime*.

^^ What part of that do you NOT understand?

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:57:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi!


Bullshit.  He replied to you less than 36 hours ago:

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:01:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi! (fwd)


Hi Jelena,

Me again. And don't panic, hear me out.

***************************************************

Sit and wait.  He'll reply when he wants to.  And if you email me again,
so help me god, I'll be tempted to put that web page on the FRONT PAGE of
the site, not just buried in the Postal section.

Do. Not. Reply.  I'm dead fucking serious.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 13:17:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: your mail


On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

: Can u please take me off of going postal PLEASE

Can you please learn to read mails, comprehend them and then reply to the
points that warrant an answer?

Until then, no.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:38:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi! (fwd)


Until you read and respond to this mail, don't bother mailing me or anyone 
else on attrition. You keep up your rampant stupidity and I will block all 
of your mail from reaching our system. That means the page stays up forever.

Your choice.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:01:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: hi! (fwd)


Hi Jelena,

Me again. And don't panic, hear me out.

[..]

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Cc: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:51:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: your mail

Nobody can possibly be this stupid.  I say we block her email address,
keep the page up, AND possibly do a special "asshat" edition with all of
the most recent mails.

And yes, she's on the email too, just for being such a dumb fucking cunt.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:39:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: your mail


: Listen jericho ? stop insulting me, calling me names etc etc. All I did

No, you listen, and listen good. Well, you fail at listening, so just
listen in some small capacity this time, good or otherwise.

: back then was talk to you. I never hired you for any hacking, neither
: did nobady else hack for me. You have invaded my privacy, and posted
: this online, I have no idea why?? You have gone beyond any human decency
: as far as I am concerned...I know that hacking is illegal ? therefore I
: never did it...

1. Soliciting someone to hack is a crime. The fact you ran into someone
that told you it was illegal and tried to steer you toward legitimate ways
of dealing with the problem doesn't make you less a criminal.

2. After me, you still went and tried to find someone else to do it for
you.

3. After you mailed and mailed and whined and bitched about everything,
both Lyger and I gave you an option that would result in us removing the
content you don't like on our web site. Instead, you ignored those mails
and wouldn't pursue it, even when I offered to help you figure it out.

4. Posting those mails is not violating your privacy. When you send
unencrypted mails to a stranger, there is no real expectation of privacy
with regards to the other person. Further, our web site and SMTP server
gives a disclaimer that all mails coming into this system become our
property, and that if you do not agree, do not mail us. You mailed us,
ergo, the mail is ours to do with as we please.

5. I just wanted to use "ergo" in a sentence.

So, the offer still stands. Get us the screenshots or copies of the mail
between you and Gregory Evans, to our satisfaction, and we will remove the
mails I made public. That is your ONLY option here. If you mail anyone
other than me one more time, for any reason whatsoever, the offer is off
the table and your e-mail address will be blocked from sending us
anything.

We clear?

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 20:57:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


: You can find Gregory Evans on facebook ? he is from Atlanta Georgia -
: but I can tell you that he wanted the money sent to the phillpines. He
: told me that he is Chinese.. He also tried to contact me under the name
: Sandra Breda on facebook as well.

I know how to find him. In case you didn't know, we are well aware of who
he is, and that is why we want this. If you can prove what you say, it
would be incredibly helpful to the security profession.

1. Did the communication happen ON Facebook, via the 'messages'?

2. How do you know Evans is 'Sandra Breda' exactly?

: Please have some common decency and take me off or your website. I am a
: good person, and never meant any harm...

And now you have a way to fix all of this. Just help me understand what
happened between you and Evans..

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:22:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


: Yes at first i found a website that he has - online and I emailed him.
: Then somehow we got to chatting on facebook chat , he kept telling me

Facebook chat (lower right corner), or the messages (top left)?

If chat, and you are still friends, clicking on his name while he is
online should pop up the previous chat. If so, do you see your prior
conversation? If messages, those should still be there as well.

: how there is so many bad hackers, and that he can do a great job for me,
: and trying to convince me to come to him. Later on he added me on his
: messanger, and kept harasing me for more money...I knew that he was

On "his messenger" means what exactly? A specific IM program like 'MSN
Messenger' or 'ICQ'? If so, those programs typically log conversation as
well.

: Sandra Breda, because when I came into the facebook page of her - she
: was his friend, and there were just some you know like weird photo's
: -you could tell that the facebook was just freshly made and kind of fake
: He contacted me 2 times under that name, and also under some diffrent
: name.

Gotcha. Same questions as above with the Brenda account.

Basically, want to find out if there is *any* evidence left of what he
said.

Thanks

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:34:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


: no we are not friends -like I said -I blocked him - but we chatted on
: both facebook chat and private messages - so I don't have any evidence
:
: it was msn messanger - and I also deleted him from there..
:
: I never became friends with Sandra Breda - I just blocked

that is unfortunate. you could have made a LOT of people happy.

Evans is under investigation by several .gov agencies for a variety of
alleged crimes. We have been following him for some time. If you think the
page with your mails is 'bad', look at this:

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/gregory_evans/

: He just seemed like a very primitive person..

He is, and he is potentially dangerous to deal with.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:55:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


Since you worked with me today, answered questions and provided the little
information you had, the page you want has been edited.

Lyger has redacted your name / e-mail address so that it will not appear
in searches. The content will stay online, but people searching for you
will not find the page.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:04:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

: Yes but it also appears under the name Rene Lecuona, Alan Huckleberry,
: Uriel Tsachor and Ksenia Nosikova. - under those searches as well, it

Except, it doesn't, because Lyger is a smart cookie and redacted those
names too.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:16:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


Lyger is in charge of redaction. Ask him.

: And plus the names are so similar ? that if anyone reads it they'll know
: it's me (all the names, my name, email, and all the initials of profs)

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:17:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


: And plus the names are so similar ? that if anyone reads it they'll know
: it's me (all the names, my name, email, and all the initials of profs)
:
: so then - all I was trying All I was trying was to get your help..

You got my help. Just not the precise kind of help you wanted.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:20:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


: Why are you being so cruel..

I am being very fair. You haven't even seen 'cruel'..

From: lyger (lyger[at]attrition.org)
To: Jelena Cingara (pijanistica@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 22:22:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FW: your mail


On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Jelena Cingara wrote:

:  : Lyger is in charge of redaction. Ask him.
:  :
:  : : And plus the names are so similar ? that if anyone reads it they'll know
:  : : it's me (all the names, my name, email, and all the initials of profs)

No.  Mail me or anyone else, including Jericho, ONE MORE TIME... just
ONCE... and I switch it back for good.  The chances of anyone you know
finding the page once Google has refreshed itself is incredibly small,
even smaller than my desire to deal with you for one minute, nay, one
SECOND longer.

I've had it.  Do not test me on this.  One more email from you to any
attrition.org address and we switch it back and send all of your future
emails straight to delete folder hell.