From: security curmudgeon (jericho@attrition.org)
To: Wally Dressler (wallydressler@accesscomm.ca)
Cc: Attrition Staff (staff@attrition.org)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:30:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: re: illegal information [BIGRAGINGCOCK.ORG@domainsbyproxy.com]


Hello Wally,

I assume your complaint is in regard to:

http://attrition.org/mirror/attrition/2000/01/05/www.lutherancentraldist.org/index.htm

In the future, it might be helpful to include a URL as reference, since web sites like 
ours host tens of thousands of pages and may not always remember every one.

: It has been brought to my attention that your site contains a mirror 
: image of our old website www.lutherancentraldist.org .  I ask that this 
: be removed from your website in that it is a violation of our copyright 
: and contains obscenities.

The mirror of your web site that we maintain is of the front page only, as witnessed on 
January 5, 2001. These are the files we maintain:

-rw-rw-r--   1 root  users  11141 2000-01-05 07:23 index.htm
-rw-rw-r--   1 root  users  11209 2000-01-05 07:23 index.html
-rw-------   1 root  users    360 2000-01-05 07:27 os
-rw-rw-r--   1 root  users   4191 1998-03-03 15:57 roundlg.gif
-rw-------   1 root  users  42934 2000-01-05 07:23 wget-log

This is clearly not a mirror of your entire site. Further, the content of the page that day was 
presumably written by someone other than the Central District of Lutheran Church-Canada, as the 
following text is on the page:

    To suck acidk|own's piggly wiggly and fix god's security.

    God, i'm sorry. please fergive me. virgin mary...cum sit on my
    oscarmeyer weiney. i'm goin to hell...what else can i say? i'm sorry
    god for living a life that i did not ask for. i feeed off the
    suffering of others. i'm 100% asshole. Your server is insecure. The
    only reason i've went to church before is becoz those paintings of
    butt nackade angels with the big titties kinda got me a little
    hard...i know its insane, but what do yu expect from a necrophiliac
    motherfuckin serial killa k|own? klown lub to everyone...

If you and the Lutheran Church will acknowledge that the church wrote that material and own the 
copyright, we will remove the page. If you are not the copyright holder, then you cannot claim 
ownership of said text and have no right to ask us to remove it.

With regards to the other text, between us, i'd like to give some friendly advice. We are a 
computer security site who maintains an archive of web pages that were defaced. If you want to push 
your rights regarding the content of the page we host, we will leave up the text that is not yours. 
That means that your URL and web page will be associated with the text quoted above, and nothing 
else. Without the context of the page being defaced by a computer criminal, it will be more damning 
than what is there now. In addition, there is a chance that 'fair use' would apply here and that 
any legal ground you think you have, is shaky at best.

Merry X-mas,

Jared E. Richo
Attrition Staff