From: lyger (lyger@attrition.org)
To: Phil Moore (ou81xx@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:18:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Fw: POST/EDIT/DELETE : (cars & trucks) 2002 VW Golf TDI - AUTOMATIC!!


On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Phil Moore wrote:

": " I would DEARLY love to see someone hack the website  tdiclub.com.  The dope that owns the site is 
": " Fred Voglmaer and he has a nasty habit of making id-blocked phone calls to people he thinks are 
": " against his clicque-ee little web forum.  In fact the morons that post their messages there could stand 
": " a taste of your medicine too!!!!
": "
": " This dope needs to be taught a lesson and I hope YOU are the one to do it.  I sure hope you can have some 
": " fun with this clown because i've met several people through calls and email that feel the SAME way i do 
": " about him.
": "
": " Have fun.  I'll be keeping a watch on your work!!!!!
": "
": " PLEASE RESPOND.

Why me?

From: lyger (lyger@attrition.org)
To: Phil Moore (ou81xx@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:55:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Fw: POST/EDIT/DELETE : (cars & trucks) 2002 VW Golf TDI - AUTOMATIC!!


On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Phil Moore wrote:

": " I saw your name mentioned on that website that told me you're capable of doing the job.
": "
": " Are you?
": "
": " Thanks a bunch.

That depends.  "Capable" and "willing" are two different things.  Explain
to me why I should commit a felony for a complete stranger?  You could at
least offer up some steaks or a Malaysian hooker on your dime.

From: lyger (lyger@attrition.org)
To: Phil Moore (ou81xx@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Fw: POST/EDIT/DELETE : (cars & trucks) 2002 VW Golf TDI - AUTOMATIC!!


On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Phil Moore wrote:

": " Will it be Rib Eye or A nice fillet?  Hell I like you already!!

I prefer filets.  Preferably 6 oz from Omaha Steaks.  And the hookers can
be Japanese, not necessarily Malaysian.


": " Here's the deal..................I buy and sell cars & trucks for aliving.  When I was playing on 
": " ebay one day i learned of that website "tdiclub.com, so I went there and registered to post one of 
": " my cars on the site, fo sale.
": " Like they say: Shit happens" and I screwed up on the year of the car- calling it a 2003 instead of 
": " a 2001. big deal - right?

Since you deal with vehicles for a living, you should know that being off
by two years for a newer one will probably mean hundreds (or sometimes
thousands) of dollars in resale value.  Personally, I'd be a little
tweaked if someone tried to sell me a 2003 "anything" and I found out it
was a 2001.  So yeah, I'd consider it somewhat of a big deal, but only if
I had already signed an agreement to purchase.  Caveat emptor.


": " Well it apparently is to SOMEBODY, because the guys that already frequent this site took it upon 
": " themselves to be genuine assholes to me. I was told on the phone last night that they have pasted 
": " my name and phone number all over the Net in an obvious attempt to cause me major grief, over my 
": " desire to sell this car.  I have several emails from these stooges and have already contacted the 
": " cops about it but haven't had the time to print out all the "details" that are shown in the 
": " 'properties' of the emais.

Since you included your phone number, I did run a Google search on it and
came up with exactly 70 hits.  I wouldn't exactly say that it's "all over
the internet", but maybe more than you're comfortable with.  To be honest,
I wouldn't put my phone number on any type of public posting or listing in
the internet.  It invites trouble and would likely be expected to cause a
genuine concern about personal privacy.  Seems that the damage has been
done already though, so if you feel that you're being harassed, you've now
taken two steps to attempt to resolve the issue:

1.  You contacted the local authorities to file a report (good move)
2.  You contacted a complete stranger to solicit a felony (computer
intrusion across state lines) on your behalf (bad move).

Stick with #1.  If nothing is done soon, you might consider investing in
changing your phone number and delisting it.  Might be a pain in the ass,
but probably no more than what's already happened.


": " Like most of us today I am NOT by any means well off, but would sure like to see this jerk Volgemaer 
": " be made to crawl back in his little hole for a while and thing about what he has allowed to appear 
": " on his website.....in addition to his calling me time after time, with his phone in caller ID block.
": " I just thought a nice visit by someone in the know might re-adjust his thinking!!

Only real advice I can give is:  if you want to fight back, make sure you
fight back LEGALLY.  That doesn't mean get a lawyer... it means don't
break any laws along the way.  In short, take the high road.  Sinking to
someone else's level rarely accomplishes anything.


": " By the way - I knew a young kid back in, about, 1997 that is a KILLER hacker but he moved away and 
": " I can't locate him.  His 1st name is Dave and I think the last might be Miller, but I'm not sure.  
": " Wish I/we/you couild hook up with him again.  I'm old fart of 61 years and have a HUGE interest in
": " computers and the Net and would like to learn more about it - including HTML as well as you're specialty!!.

If he was hacking in 1997, there's no way to know if he would have any
ideas or clues about today's technologies.  Since I lived in the 815 for
several years in a past life, I can also say he was likely stuck on
dial-up until at least 2002.


": " My suggestion is a good helping of A-1 on those steaks!!

Sorry, I'm a purist.  Medium rare, no sauce, mushrooms (but only on the
side).


": " Did you read on CNN about those 3 Chinese hacks getting in to the Pentagon's system??

Yep.  Also find it ironic that they won't do any jail time for that but
some people in this country can spend five years in jail without a trial
for doing far less.