--- Small Grey (munge@attrition.org) wrote:

: We run a free dating website. It's totally free, that's free as in "no
: charge whatsoever" anywhere, at all. It costs nothing to join and nothing to
: use. It's a free service, not a business. We want to keep it that way.
: 
: Some of our members find partners through our service. Some people get
: married through it. Some people get carnal relations through it. It even
: makes people happy occasionally.
: 
: The trouble is,  we may have to close the site because feral no-brainers
: keep trying to hack it.
: 
: How can I get it through to the lame pricks that read your site that the
: internet isn't all big business, isn't all corporations, isn't all
: exploitation? There are occasionally better uses for it.

Interesting.  How do you know that these people
read our site? Have you read our site?  Obviously not.

: Hacking free sites with useful content and no income means they end up
: closing because they can't afford security.
 
It's a pity that free sites close.  However, do
you really think that security is all that unaffordable?  I
have never had to spend much on it =)
  I've always thought that these so-called hackers
should channel whatever talents they have into creating and
supporting volunteer efforts on the Internet.
 
: Can I ask the jerk-offs that read your site to get a life, to use the
: internet and stop abusing it?
:
: STOP HACKING FREE SITES
 
  Stop being an idiot.  You ask if you can ask, and then direct
your question(s) at US.  Now, child, if you want a dialogue with 
the people that run this site, run home and get a helmet.  Try
reading our site sometime, moron, instead of assuming that we
promote what you're ranting about.
 
: And whilst I am here, what is so clever about hacking Microsoft, Sony et al?
: 
: WHO VISITS THOSE FUCKING SITES ANYWAY?
 
  Why are you asking us this, dipshit?
  Notice how s/h/it segues into asking us these
questions directly?  I.e., we are the jerk-offs or we
encourage them.
 
: If the witless kids that read your pages have got time to waste, why not
: encourage them to do something useful with it. How about hunting spammers
: and giving them a spanking?
 
  You're justanotherignorantdumbass, not far above the
script-kidiots you rant about.  I revile you all.  And
we do encourage people to do something constructive.
 
We don't encourage, condone or promote defacements. 
 
 
: 3weekswastedunhackingaserverandsicktothefuckingteethofit
 
  3minuteswastedreplyingtoafuckwit

munge
 
-- 
I see stupid people.  They're everywhere.  
They walk around like everyone else. 
They don't even know they're stupid.

From: Small Grey (munge@attrition.org)
To: Sarah Wardell (stoopidcoopid@yahoo.com)
Cc: Criminals (staff@attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:41:49 -0700
Subject: Re: The other side of the coin

Sarah Wardell [stoopidcoopid@yahoo.com]
 staggered from the flesh-eating rain and gurgled:

: Not one of your wittier replies is it?

  So you want to be entertained with wit? Perhaps I should resort 
to all CAPS and try SHOUTING VERY LOUD like you did in your FIRST 
PROVOCATION.  Wit engenders wit, your sortie, however, begs a 
cuffing.
  I was aiming for the "poke in the eye" sort of replies your 
letter deserves.  If you want wit tonight, try a P. G. Wodehouse.

: And yes, I did spend three hours looking at your site.
: 
: 
: : How do you know that these people read our site?
: 
: Because I read ALL of the letters from the infantile
: whack-offs who didn't bother to read your site first,
: (only because your replies were occasionally *very*
: witty) 

 A contradiction:

   You know all these people read our site because 
   you have read the letters of those who didn't 
   bother to read our site first.  

My, my, you stupid, fucking bumbler.  Oh, wait, wit: "Oh dear, my 
monocle just poppped out of my eye!"  The evidence you allude to 
supports both of my points: That you lack certain reading and 
cognitive skills and that indeed, not all script-kidiots replying 
to us have actually read our site.  Duh.
  
: I also found several manuals on how to start hacking,
: and looked at several mind numbingly idiotic
: "defacement" pages, all on your site. 
: 
: I am sure it has occurred to you more than once that
: by recording puerile animal markings (AKA defacements)
: you ARE encouraging it, as the letters on your site
: make absolutely clear.

  Absolutely clear?  Hahahaha, dear Sarah, the gods have delivered 
you into my hands.  Citation, please.  If it's absolutely clear
you should have no problem making an argument *grin*

  You don't take the opportunity to cite any instance on the part 
of the Attrition staff that encourages this sort of behaviour.  
Further, you ignore my encouraging defacers to do something 
creative and non-destructive.  Instead you launch into an 
argument so over-broad it is tantamount to claiming that news 
organizations that record and report on criminal activities not 
only encourage these activities but are morally equivalent to 
those activities.  Hence your petty rage directed at Attrition....

  What's hacking?  Do you know or even care about the culture you 
attack?  Probably not.  In your inflamed mind, hacking is criminal 
activity.

: You say security isn't expensive, in what was your
: most disingenuous response to my first message. 
: 
: Just spend 10 seconds thinking about how much security
: we need to ensure that messages sent between members
: of a dating site are genuine, and not the result a
: hack by serial sex offenders or worse.
: 
: Security isn't expensive for Bill gates, but if you're
: not Bill Gates, have you tried hiring a security
: expert recently?

  I know many people running free sites since the early-mid 
nineties that have never had a security problem simply because 
they practice basic computer security.  Not one of them spent a 
dime on a security consultant; not one of them is a security
expert or consultant. 

: If useful free sites are closed by people trying to
: get themselves a "break out" page on Attrition, what
: are you left with? MSN.com (because they can afford
: the security), and portals that link to other portals
: and 404's, because they don't carry any content.

  That's a big if and a very unlikely scenario.  Nice rhetorical 
question and apocalyptic vision, though.  Underneath all the 
cruft in that paragraph are the damnable readers of Attrition.  
God save us all.

*blink*

  As if you know who Attrition readers are.  Attrition.org hits 
are at 7-11 million per month.  Many of the subscribers to our 
mailing lists are law enforcement, military and government, 
security companies, insurance companies and world-wide media.  We 
provide cyber-crime statistics and commentary[0] that are 
utilized by the military, government, academic, and commercial 
concerns. 

[0] URLs:
http://www.attrition.org/security/lists.html
http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/stats.html
http://www.attrition.org/security/commentary/

: If your site provides one useful function it is
: perhaps that hacked off people like me can get it
: across to the low-lifes that visit your site that
: hacking or defacing web pages isn't cool, it isn't
: funny and is ultimately going to make the internet as
: interesting and as relevant as CB radio.
: 
: And if we agree about all this, why waste time
: slagging me off? 

  Well, now.  I thought we had a disagreement.  That's why I'm 
"slagging you off".

  My previous paragraph alludes to a few useful functions for 
Attrition that out-rank your small-minded venting.  Throughout 
this exchange, you have insulted readers of our site that 
"get-it" over those that don't.  You don't get it, and so in that 
you share more in common with the script-kiddiots you rail 
against.  You are Yin to their Yang.

cheers,

munge

From: security curmudgeon (jericho@attrition.org)
To: Sarah Wardell (stoopidcoopid@yahoo.com)
Cc: Heathens (staff@attrition.org)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:39:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: The other side of the coin


Are you cute, single, under 30 and live on the east coast?

You sound like an agry chick and they can be fun. RAR