From m.c.m.goemans at students.uu.nl Thu Apr 1 03:35:06 2004 From: m.c.m.goemans at students.uu.nl (Marc Goemans) Date: Thu Apr 1 03:41:59 2004 Subject: [widdershins] The Pirate Act In-Reply-To: <20040330131457.DC2753948@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <0HVH0007AH6LBL@smtp14.wxs.nl> Hello Y'all What I, as a European law student doing research in this area, find interesting is the word "theft". Is it possible to steal, for example, software? And if so, does that mean software is a tangible something? And if you answer yes on these questions, which I do, it implies that software should be protected by something else than copyright law. This may sound trivial to some of you but it actually isn't. MarC Goemans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: widdershins-bounces@attrition.org [mailto:widdershins-bounces@attrition.org] Namens Douglas Duckworth Verzonden: dinsdag 30 maart 2004 15:15 Aan: widdershins@attrition.org; thegnome@nmrc.org Onderwerp: Re: [widdershins] The Pirate Act We have got to get these ignorant politicans out of power, they think that more regulation will solve the problem... They don't look at why people violate copyrights. Putting more power in appointed officals such as they attorney general only spells the end of our privacy and freedom. --- Simple Nomad wrote: From thehiddenfire at yahoo.com Thu Apr 1 04:42:49 2004 From: thehiddenfire at yahoo.com (Justin Johnson [GHA]) Date: Thu Apr 1 04:48:09 2004 Subject: [widdershins] The Pirate Act In-Reply-To: <20040330131457.DC2753948@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <20040401094249.2595.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Agreed. I haven't had a chance yet to read the law that it is attempting to amend, but from the looks of things, it's trying to make it so that the Attorney General can act as the copyright holder and all of their privilages. -Justin http://gha.booleangate.org --- Douglas Duckworth wrote: > We have got to get these ignorant politicans out of power, they think that more > regulation will solve the problem... They don't look at why people violate copyrights. > Putting more power in appointed officals such as they attorney general only spells the > end of our privacy and freedom. > > > --- Simple Nomad wrote: > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > From: Simple Nomad > To: widdershins@attrition.org > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:39:33 -0600 > Subject: [widdershins] The Pirate Act > > The proposed act: > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:s2237is.txt > > Related Wired article: > http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62830,00.html > > Orrin Hatch is either off his meds or needs an adjustment. The genie is > out of the bottle -- passing this regulation isn't going to mean shit in > a global Internet community, in spite of WIPO. > > -- > - Simple Nomad ---- thegnome@nmrc.org ---- thegnome@razor.bindview.com - > - "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand - > - by the President or any other public official." - Theodore Roosevelt - > > ATTACHMENT part 2.1.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > _______________________________________________ > widdershins mailing list > widdershins@attrition.org > http://www.attrition.org/mailman/listinfo/widdershins > > _______________________________________________ > widdershins mailing list > widdershins@attrition.org > http://www.attrition.org/mailman/listinfo/widdershins > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From S.Wilson at eris.qinetiq.com Thu Apr 1 06:16:39 2004 From: S.Wilson at eris.qinetiq.com (Steve Wilson) Date: Thu Apr 1 06:16:58 2004 Subject: [widdershins] The Pirate Act In-Reply-To: <0HVH0007AH6LBL@smtp14.wxs.nl> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: widdershins-bounces@attrition.org > > Hello Y'all > > What I, as a European law student doing research in this > area, find interesting is the word "theft". Is it possible to > steal, for example, software? And if so, does that mean > software is a tangible something? And if you answer yes on > these questions, which I do, it implies that software should > be protected by something else than copyright law. This may > sound trivial to some of you but it actually isn't. Hi all, My understanding of the definition of the word "theft" was that to "steal" something, you had to permanently deprive someone of the article being stolen. It seems to relate far better to real tangible objects like gold and diamonds than intangible things like code or art. Hence, if I steal a shrink-wrapped box of software from you - thus depriving you of it - it's theft. If I make a copy of the CD - and therefore aren't depriving you of it - - it's merely a copyright violation. You still have your original code - I merely have a copy. You can't claim any real loss directly - although, the software author may have a case for complaint. The two aren't the same at all, IMHO. But then, the usual IANAL caveat applies! ;-) Cheers, Steve. - -- Stephen Wilson Senior Security Consultant Security Health Check L305/9, QinetiQ, St Andrews Rd, Malvern, Worcs, WR14 3PS Tel: 01684 894153 Fax: 01684 897417 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBQGv6FinAQqfJ4bodEQIhgQCgwp6jD0mW/mAFpxRoZ60cy9HrJGsAniHB 8a1MXpMjuGHzmYNdnVCnQOQ4 =nchp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thegnome at nmrc.org Fri Apr 9 13:24:14 2004 From: thegnome at nmrc.org (Simple Nomad) Date: Fri Apr 9 13:29:48 2004 Subject: [widdershins] New French Law Message-ID: <1081531454.3040.48.camel@daemon.nmrc.org> http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/bugtraq/2004-04/0106.html Any French nationals on the list? Love to hear their opinion. Makes me wonder how this would affect not only someone living in France, but someone visiting France that had released exploit code.... -- - Simple Nomad ---- thegnome@nmrc.org ---- thegnome@razor.bindview.com - - "Patriotism means to stand by the country. 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