[Infowarrior] - More on....PayPal shuts down HFC
Richard Forno
rforno at infowarrior.org
Wed Jul 15 18:16:02 UTC 2009
(c/o Anonymous)
Update: PayPal corrects situation:
http://www.hackersforcharity.org/265/paypal-makes-good/
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Richard Forno <rforno at infowarrior.org>
> Date: July 15, 2009 7:32:09 AM EDT
> To: Infowarrior List <infowarrior at attrition.org>
> Subject: PayPal shuts down HFC
>
> (h/t jericho)
>
> PayPal shuts us down
>
> http://www.hackersforcharity.org/259/paypal-shuts-us-down/
>
> I had a subscription system running under WP-MEMBER for about a year
> before that software flaked out on me. Multiple domains caused
> problems that were irreconcilable. I had donations for our work in
> Africa coming in (not through wp-member) and a few hundred
> subscribers to Informer through wp-member. All said, when I switched
> to Suma, I had 10,000$US in my personal paypal account. That was my
> family’s support money as well as money for our food program in Kenya.
> So I shopped around and picked up Suma. In the process, we had to
> switch to a business account (although I don’t understand why…wp-
> member was happily doing recurring payments without a business
> account). That’s when all hell broke loose. Paypal required a proof
> of non-profit status (we’re not a non-profit yet, no 501c3 paperwork
> from IRS) which we don’t have (I selected the wrong box I guess) a
> printed bank statement (harder to get than you might realize, being
> overseas) which because a REAL problem because the account was in my
> name, not the business name and other information. Because I
> couldn’t provide some of the info (501c3 paper) and the other info
> (bank stuff) took a LONG time, PayPal restricted my account, meaning
> my subscription payments are bouncing, and I can’t transfer money
> out of my account.
>
> PayPal has frozen my assets. We have no source of income beyond the
> car money we just spent in Kampala on Monday. I may very well have
> to return to Kampala and get the car payment money back to live off
> of. We are stranded financially and physically without a vehicle
> because of PayPal.
>
> I’ve called (Contact PayPal Customer Support toll-free at
> 1-888-221-1161) to lift the restrictions, but they tell me to email
> service. Emailing service is ridiculous, and a week goes by between
> responses. Last I got from them was that I couldn’t talk to them
> because I emailed from an address that wasn’t on the PayPal account.
> So I had to create another email account, and try again (a painful
> process).
>
> Now they are telling me that the bank info I provided isn’t correct
> because the bank account isn’t in the business name. Now I have to
> switch bank accounts in PayPal (again, overseas, less that dial-up,
> VERY HARD), get another statement to them and hope they accept it.
>
> At that point they will probably deny me again because I haven’t
> sent them the 501c3 papers.
>
> I asked to switch to a for-profit account (even though we’re not)
> through the “PayPal resolution center” but have received no
> response. This would remove the requirement for the 501c3 paperwork,
> but I have no faith in this process because everything submitted to
> the resolution center must be in a graphic format (png, jpg, etc)
> and I was forced to take a screen cap of a text document explaining
> my case. (I mean seriously??) Nothing from them on switching to a
> for-profit account.
>
> I’d love to go back to having a personal account, but I can’t even
> imagine how I would request that, how long it would take, or if it
> would even be possible,
>
> The bottom line is PayPal has frozen my assets (which aren’t
> theirs.. how can they do this?) including all the support money my
> family is relying on.
>
> I’ve spent hours on the phone (on hold) to PayPal at approximately
> 30 cents a minute to try to get this resolved only to be told to use
> email. I’m considering legal action over this.
>
> HFC is at a complete standstill. We can not order shirts for the
> conference. Subscriptions are bouncing. Informer is down.
> Subscribers are (rightly) pissed because they don’t have what
> they’ve paid for. I can’t order the items for the DEFCON auction.
> There are too many problems to list here. The biggest is that PayPal
> has locked down my family’s survival money.
>
> I have no clue what to do at this point.
>
> Does the EFF have any leverage? I can’t tell you how tempted I am to
> just turn to the dark side here and…
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