As Ive said before redefacements are lame, but I wanted to try a new ohday - so I just used one Quit Crew had done - since theyre one of my few boys still doing linux. Shouts to other skilled groups - Hackweiser - Prime Suspectz - Evil Angelica - WFD - and WoH. JNB - hi thanks for the shoouts. pr0phet@techie.com