From Thu Mar  7 22:42:52 2002
From: security curmudgeon (
To: Laurence Godfrey (
Cc: Heathens (
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:36:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: your defamatory posting


No, it isn't. You sent this to us, expect us to use the mail as we see
fit. Don't like it, don't mail us.

: On 5 March 2002 you published on the usenet newsgroups sci.physics,
: and nz.general an article (copy enclosed below) in which you make false and

Who? Comega? All of Staff? or someone who simply forged "" in
a single part of the posting?

: highly defamatory allegations about me. As you are no doubt aware, the
: newsgroups in question are read by a large number of internet users,
: particularly in England where my reputation is based and where I live and
: carry out my work.

I am not aware. I do not read usenet at all. I haven't since 1995.

: Your statements were calculated to disparage and damage me professionally, as

No, they weren't. Why? Because we didn't make them to the best of my
knowledge. If you look more carefully at the post (assuming you provided
all relevant headers), it doesn't appear that the post has anything to do
with this system other than someone forging the 'from'.

: I am not prepared to let your false allegations pass unchallenged and
: uncorrected and accordingly I require:
: (1)    An apology to be published by you on the newsgroups in terms to be
: agreed;


: (2)    An undertaking that you will not publish the same or similar
: defamatory allegations in the future;

No. In fact, i will produce this entire e-mail with the original post on
our web site.

: (3)    A Statement in Open Court, in terms to be agreed, publicly retracting
: your false statements;


: (4)    Payment of my legal costs and damages in this matter in a sum to be
: agreed.


: Unless I receive satisfactory proposals to the terms set out in this
: letter within seven days, I will issue proceedings in the English High
: Court without further notice. 

I live in the United States. Good luck, file away.

Now that I covered that.. let's look more carefully at a few things:

: Path:
: !!not-for-mail

See "" in there? See below..

: Reply-To: "Space Ghost" (
: From: "Space Ghost" (

From "". "staff" is not a valid account here, it is
simply a mail alias. 

: Lines: 74
: Organization: Upright Citizens Brigade

This is not our organization.

: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000

This system is linux, not Windows. The post could not have originated from
here based on this alone.

: Message-ID: (wPSg8.8$

I don't know who you are, or what you do, but surely isn't computer
related. This message-id along with the path above suggest the person who
posted this came from, not

: NNTP-Posting-Host:


Now, let's look at where is:

Domain Name..........
  Creation Date........ 1995-06-01
  Registration Date.... 2001-05-21
  Expiry Date.......... 2005-05-31
  Organisation Name.... Telstra Corporation Limited
  Organisation Address. 9/1 Spring Street
  Organisation Address. 
  Organisation Address. Melbourne
  Organisation Address. 3000
  Organisation Address. Vic
  Organisation Address. AUSTRALIA

Are you starting to see a pattern here? is located in the
United States.

: X-Complaints-To:

Gee, yet another reference to ..

: X-Trace: 1015282012 (Tue, 05 Mar 2002
: 09:46:52 EST)

Oh wow, ANOTHER reference..

: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:46:52 EST
: Xref: nz.general:452699 sci.physics:411294
: X-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:46:56 GMT
: (
: [Four questions removed due to Godfrey harassment]

Now, as a side note for my own amusement..

Have you even looked up the definition of libel or slander you dipshit?
This post appears to be nothing more than 4 questions. These are not
statements, not accusations, just questions.

The only way they would be defamatory is they were a) true and b) a source
of embarassment. Your mail to us suggests that they are at least true.

: ***************************************************************
: Save for this paragraph and those that follow, this email, 
: including any material attached to it, is confidential and 
: may be legally privileged. Unless expressly authorised by 
: the sender, you may not copy, publish, broadcast, transmit 
: or otherwise disseminate, electronically or by any other 
: means, any of the material contained in or attached to this 
: email. If you have received it in error, you should not 
: disclose or make use of or take any action in reliance upon 
: this material and you should immediately notify the sender, 
: whose name and email address is given below.
: ***************************************************************

These disclaimers are a load of shit you realize?

Simple fact is, if you sent the mail to me, I can use it as I see fit.
Hope you enjoy it when it goes up on our Going Postal section.

Further, if you threaten legal action against us again, I will make all
future correspondance with you public and post it where I see fit,
including these newsgroups you post to. It is clear that you did no
investigation of the post and blindly followed the first address you found
convenient, despite the post making it abundantly clear that it did not
originate on our system, let alone in the country we are in.

What a fag.

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