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From: /dev/null (
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:17:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: "Hacking"

On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 wrote:

> Very true,
> and I mean I want to learn how to get into other peoples files,break through
> website barriers,and input virus' so is that "hacking" or "cracking"? I've
> been quote on quote hacked a couple times in the past so I wanted to get back
> at them but also use it for personal use. I'm not doing this for some
> childish kick although that is what it seems,but for an anvancement in
> knowledge of someone else's abilities. Sound good?
> Cassy

Sound  It doesn't.  Now...I hate to do this, because earlier I
said I wouldn't, and you seemed like a nice enough person.  But it looks
like I was mistaken in that assumption.

So.  You've been hacked and you were somehow badly raised enough to
believe that the correct response is to hack back.  You've gotten a virus
before and you think the appropriate reaction is to send out other virii.
That's not all, either -- you want to "get into other peoples [sic]
files...for personal use"?

I would describe any person like this as petty, childish, and completely
unworthy of knowledge.  You don't care about learning -- you just want to
violate people, hurt people, and attack people, and for very selfish
reasons.  You apparently have no ethics at all and it would appear that
you're not even willing to teach yourself how to do these cruel, criminal
actions; you just want complete strangers to tell you how to do it, like
it's as simple as tying your shoe.  You are -absolutely- doing this for
"some childish kick" -- if you cared about the knowledge you'd be reading
books and learning on your own through experimentation, and you wouldn't
list your primary goals as harming other people and invading others'

I'm sure you've already gathered that my response is going to be a very
vehement 'no'.  No.  We will not teach you how to hack.  I don't believe
you'd be particularly good at it anyway -- I've always said that teaching
someone to be a true hacker is a little like teaching someone how to be
homosexual.  It can't be done.  Either you are or you aren't.  And you,
I'm afraid, -aren't-.  If you were, you'd be far more capable of finding
information on your own -- including the information (prominently posted
on our site) that we do NOT teach people how to hack and we do NOT approve
of the kind of crap you want to do.

I really, really hope that you manage to grow up a little before you
manage to learn something about computers.  Because if you don't, you're
very likely to end up in jail.


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