From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: shonharris (shonharris@logicalsecurity.com)
Cc: securitymetrics
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:10:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: [securitymetrics] Metricon 5.5 - Call for a Final Decision


On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, shonharris wrote:

: Hi - I have asked to get off this distribution list several times now.
:
: Please take me off this list

Every single mail to the list has simple unsubscribe instructions at the
bottom. In fact, your atrocious quoting of the entire thread has four
mentions of how you can remove yourself from the list.

Any CISSP trainer should be able to figure this out.


: :::  To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the message
: ::: body to: discuss-request[at]securitymetrics.org.

: :: To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the message body
: :: to: discuss-request[at]securitymetrics.org.

: To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the message body to:
: discuss-request[at]securitymetrics.org.

: To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the message body to: 
: discuss-request[at]securitymetrics.org.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: Kristy Seaton (Kristy.Seaton@standard.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:10:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [securitymetrics] Metricon 5.5 - Call for a Final Decision

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Kristy Seaton wrote:

: Security Curmudgeon that was completely uncalled for and unprofessional.

It was called for, and certainly rude. I'll grant you that.

"Unprofessional" is whining to the list about being subscribed, when the
clear unsubscribe instructions are on every mail. Unprofessional is Shon
sending unsolicted bulk mail advertising her company to parties that did
not opt in for her list (i.e., spam). She seems to have serious problems
when it comes to 'mail' and etiquette.

Please, make sure you scold her too.

http://attrition.org/errata/spam/logicalsecurity.com-spam01.htm
http://attrition.org/errata/spam/logicalsecurity.com-spam02.html

Our industry needs more honesty, more integrity and less playing nice out
of some silly sense of obligation to each other, just for the sake of
being nice when it isn't necessarily warranted. You can stick with fluffy
words, i'll stick with honesty and integrity. Deal?

Now, in the interest of keeping the list free of unsubscribe requests and
further banter, please take your future scolding of me and Shon off-list.
Keep the list on topic so everyone can enjoy it.

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: shonharris (shonharris@logicalsecurity.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:32:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: your mail


On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, shonharris wrote:

: Any more questions?

Why yes!

1. Why the stupid "legal" signature block that has absolutely no case law
(or logic) to back it?

2. Did you consider that three requests in a 24 hour period may mean the
moderator was possibly away from e-mail that day?

3. How do you sleep at night, knowing you are in violation of your beloved
CISSP Code of Ethics?

4. How can you really bitch about unsubscribing, when you don't honor
unsubscribe requests for your own mail lists? Isn't there some level of
hypocrisy that begins to bother you?

: Guess you need to be a CISSP trainer to figure that some times when a
: person submits a request to unsubscribe from a list it may not work .

And said CISSP trainer may need to read up on mail list administration to
learn that not all requests are automatic, that some go to the moderator
queue for manual approval.

: Let me know if any of this is confusing to you

Only thing confusing me is how you think you are relevant in the security
industry.

Thanks for any insight!

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: shonharris (shonharris@logicalsecurity.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:57:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: your mail


Oh, one more thing..

: Any more questions?

Did you actually READ the unsubscribe instructions? I am guessing no,
since it said to put "unsubscribe" in the body of the mail. All three of
yours put it in the subject instead, which is likely why it got stuck in a
moderator queue (or discarded).

All three of your mails look something like this:

From: shonharris (shonharris@logicalsecurity.com)
To: discuss-request[at]securitymetrics.org
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:50:02 -0500
Subject: unsubscribe



Shon Harris
President

[..]

: Guess you need to be a CISSP trainer to figure that some times when a
: person submits a request to unsubscribe from a list it may not work .

I guess a CISSP trainer could use some brushing up on e-mail, specifically
header versus body.

: Let me know if any of this is confusing to you

I am confused why you haven't read up on e-mail. Pro tip in case you need
it: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/write-and-send-an-email.html

From: security curmudgeon (jericho[at]attrition.org)
To: shonharris (shonharris@logicalsecurity.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:41:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: RE: your mail


On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, shonharris wrote:

: Grow up and get a life

Wow, you are entirely predictable.

: Petty and pathetic

Petty, yep, I can agree there. Fun too.

Pathetic though, I would disagree and say that adjective is more
appropriate for you. Wasting your life with a bullshit certification that
you clearly demonstrate means nothing, unable to remove yourself from a
mail list, all the while being a spammer.

Finally, I notice that you asked if I had more questions, and I did.. yet
you refuse to answer them. If you were relevant, you'd be destined for the
Errata Charlatans page. Instead, I think you will probably just end up on
the Postal Asshats page.

http://attrition.org/postal/asshats/

Come on.. just admit it, give me the truth in your own words. You screwed
up, you did not unsubscribe in the way as directed by the repeated
messages. You got called on it, and instead of owning up to your simple
screw-up, you resorted to the age-old "get a life" argument when you were
proven wrong.

Shallow, predictable and petty seems to sum you up. Eagerly awaiting your
"i'm rubber you're glue.." retort.