The State of AntiOnline Mon Jun 21 00:05:48 MDT 1999 ATTRITION Staff Sometime today, in the most reliable section of AntiOnline (the reader mailbag), JP responded to reader comments regarding why he had begun to deny all HREF links from ATTRITION to AntiOnline. "Yes, Brain Martin is screaming that I'm unprofessional because I put him on my denied referer list. Because I have something to 'hide', as he says. Truth be known, the reason attrition is on my denied referer list is because they put up a bunch of links on their sites designed to trigger our network monitoring stations, and bring up snide little messages from Martin himself. I wanted nothing to do with him, or his silly little games to become some sort of 'Cult Hero' as he calls himself, so I blocked referers from him and all of his little goons. I know his heart is broken, but he'll just have to cope." Rather than take the time to explain everything in great detail, we'll just list all the problems we find in this statement. 1. Journalist can't even spell "Brian" right. 2. Unprofessional for SEVERAL reasons, not just this. 3. So if that explains the deny on Attrition, why the deny on HackerNews DisOrg, and OSALL who did no such thing? (caught in a hasty excuse again) 4. Those HREF lines will only trigger IDS written by fourth graders. href="http://www.antionline.com/cgi-bin/phf-is-really-ereet/.. Any fourth grader can see this is not a valid attempt at exploitation. 5. "From Martin himself". Five admins here, and I am automagically guilty. 6. Personal attack against a nickname. Rather than answer the allegations, he must resort to diverting attention on something so trivial as a nickname. 7. Once again, that professional behavior. "his little goons" For those of you following the recent AntiOnline saga, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes that JP will not tell you about. We will :) Downtime Earlier today (6.20.99), the main AntiOnline page found the mailbag updated, along with this message: A Note To Our Users: There will be no further updates until Wednesday, due to upgrades to our infrastructure. We apologize for this, but look for a large site update Wednesday morning. One can't help but wonder what goes on at AntiOnline. Part time hobby news sites are updating with more frequent news. Yet this 500,000 dollar organization can't seem to produce even one new piece a day? In the last week or two, even Attrition staff have released more original and breaking news pieces than AntiOnline. AntiBot, AntiSearch and Attrition Sometime around 5.3.99, the AntiOnline search engine (AntiSearch), which is populated by a utility called "AntiBot" (footprint: "Phantom/2.2f8 AntiBot") stopped archiving and referring visitors to Attrition. Despite AntiSearch giving Attrition based URLs to over 1000 AntiOnline visitors, JP claimed his engine would no longer support a "temple of hate". From: John Vranesevich (JP@antionline.com) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:56:23 -0400 Subject: Re: JP, Rip-off artist (fwd) Greetings: As for you being upset that I removed attrition from our search engine. Now honestly, why would we set up our search engine to supply links to a site which is quickly becoming little more than a temple of hate? That said, I wonder if Mr. Vranesevich would care to explain his sudden change of heart? Between June 19 and June 20, AntiBot was responsible for at least 3458 hits to the Attrition server. Better, AntiBot's poor coding lead it to attempt to archive over 1500 files that didn't exist. If JP and AntiSearch are not supporting this "Temple of Hate", why is the AntiBot so interested in our site? Don't get us wrong, we'd rather see the information we offer used for all people, JP included. Just seems a bit hypocritical to us. Lets look at the proof: The file "anti-access" and "anti-error" were generated using grep and looking for either "AntiBot" or the IP it came from. Here we show the first and last hit the past few days: forced /home/admin# head -1 anti-access 184.108.40.206 - - [19/Jun/1999:17:39:23 -0600] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 403 341 "-" "Phantom/2.2f8 AntiBot" forced /home/admin# tail -1 anti-access 220.127.116.11 - - [20/Jun/1999:15:44:57 -0600] "GET /mirror/attrition/com/www.phrack.com/about/hfglogo.jpg HTTP/1.0" 200 27634 "-" "Phantom/2.2f8 AntiBot" Here you can see not only the errors, but the directory structure it was attempting to archive. JP was notified of this bug over six months ago BTW. forced /home/admin# head -1 anti-error [Sun Jun 6 02:58:22 1999] [error] [client 18.104.22.168] File does not exist: /home/web/livewire/payphones/photo/ forced /home/admin# tail -1 anti-error [Sun Jun 6 03:05:37 1999] [error] [client 22.214.171.124] File does not exist: /home/web/livewire/payphones/usa/missing/ forced /home/admin# And a total of how many hits it generated.. just short of 5000 total! forced /home/admin# wc -l anti* 3458 anti-access 1527 anti-error 4985 total forced /home/admin# Our Special To this day, JP and AntiOnline still haven't responded to our special report in an adult fashion. Once again, we must ask about JP's double standards. When he releases an article libeling members of Attrition and other businesses, all with no backing, it is acceptable. Yet when Attrition releases their own report giving explicit detail, email, IRC logs, and logical conclusions, JP runs around screaming 'libel', while his other full time admin threaten the same? From otter.happyhacker.org IRC server: IrcLog061099:(NetShad0w) were fixin to open the can of woop ass IrcLog061099:(NetShad0w) Net-security.org.. attriton... bron buster... HNN (lopht) IrcLog061099:(RedPen) why NetShad0w? IrcLog061099:(NetShad0w) Libel NetShad0w is Brad Davis of AntiOnline. The "other guy" working full time. Conclusion How can a site/business caught in so many lies, so many hypocritical statements, continue to function? Why do people continue to visit the site when they can get more reliable news, a better source for files and exploits, and a better and more unbiased search engine? With so many fallacies, so many obvious lies, and so many pathetic excuses, don't you think it's time to move on?