More problems with SpamCop, go figure.

Wed Apr 9 21:07:04 EDT 2003

Once again, we have been flagged as spammers by the cluebags over at, who we have had a run-in or two with before. This time, they go even above and beyond their previous levels of stupidity.

For the past year, I have been agressive on reporting spam and maintaining a custom list of blocked domains/relays that is used on For every piece of spam that came in, I would blackhole them on our system, then report them to abuse@(their isp). I would send all Nigerian Scam mail to the appropriate address at ( For domains that didn't maintain abuse/postmaster contacts, I would report them to and further blacklist their entire domain from mailing attrition. WHat did this behavior get me? Listed on spamcop *again*.

Notice the two pieces of mail they show currently. Both of them are my reports of spam to other ISPs. In each case, I mailed their abuse@ contact, included full headers, and prefaced the subject with "SPAM:" so they could clearly identify the mail. Given that I am reporting the mail TO THEM via their abuse contact, the headers have THEIR IP space, it should be trivial to understand what is happening here. Instead, and apparently felt the need to send my mail in and complain of spamming.

Here is the mail I sent to the abuse address at (still in my sent-mail). In turn for me reporting globalvision spam, they send my complaint to spamcop reporting *me* for spamming. And as we all know, spamcop will play the part of the blind sheep and dutifully blackhole us w/o question, even though they KNOW (from previous contact) we are as anti-spam as you can get. Their claims of not being able to change their system are complete lies, as the most trivial system can account for whitelisting domains.

Of course, what is SpamCop's stance on this?

In short, "too bad", I have no recourse for their stupidity. I'm still amazed that anyone would support these ass clowns in any way.

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